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greeting citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with Shane

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herd thanks for hanging out with us it's

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been one of those interesting weeks

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where a media outlet published a UFO

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related story resulting in every other

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media outlet covering that story too and

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naturally that gets the UFO community

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buzzing - of course I'm talking about

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the news that the u.s. Navy claims it's

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drafting new guidelines for UFO

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reporting procedures but before we get

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to that Shane how are you good sir I'm

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doing mighty fine I'm so happy to hear

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that and I know that UFO researcher and

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lecturer David Marlar spoke this weekend

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at Phoenix MUFON and you were there so

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how was that it was awesome he spoke on

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the Battle of LA case from 1942 nice

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David is an excellent speaker great

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personality and he laid out a very

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cogent explanation of his research and

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some of the conclusions that can be

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drawn from it plus some kind of

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interesting history on the most famous

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of UFO pictures I think anyway

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lost Los Angeles Times photo of that

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event in February of 1942 and it was

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fascinating he is a terrific lecturer

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like you said I love hearing him speak

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and such a fantastic researcher and I'm

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sure many listeners have seen these

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photos online if not you might want to

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google and check it out but david has a

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remarkable archive put together

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essentially this giant UFO library of

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all of these UFO books and and I mean

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he's got all sorts of things all sorts

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of files related to UFO cases it's a

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giant room how big is the chain it's

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huge yeah I'd say it looked me to be

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like about 20 by 40 I mean he built this

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building onto his home for this purpose

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and it was you know laid out great I

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mean I had all these cases and file

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cabinets and shelving and you know he

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had some really cool pick

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and some you know memorabilia and things

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displayed in there a huge conference

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table in the middle with lighting so you

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could really you know hunker down and do

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some good research and I mean my hats

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off to him I would love to do that

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myself that it was a first-class job

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right I mean you see photos of that and

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that's like any UFO nerds like dream

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bunker like warm room research area it's

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it's really cool so yeah David's great

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and he does a lot of great research so

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if you're not familiar with his work

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check that out I'm glad you were able to

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catch his lecture Shane that's pretty

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yeah loved it well let's jump into our

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discussion about the Navy and it's UFO

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policy so on April 23rd Politico

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published a story titled US Navy

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drafting new guidelines for reporting

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UFOs this article explains that the Navy

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is in the process of drafting new

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guidelines for its pilots and other

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personnel to report encounters with

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quote unidentified aircraft and quote so

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according to the article the Navy states

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quote there have been a number of

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reports of unauthorized and or

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unidentified aircraft entering various

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military controlled ranges and

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designated airspace in recent years for

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safety and security concerns the Navy

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and the Air Force take these reports

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very seriously and investigates each and

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every report end quote

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the Navy goes on to say quote as part of

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this effort the Navy is updating and

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formalizing the process by which reports

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of any such suspected incursions can be

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made to the cognizant authorities in

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quote and political clarifies that quote

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the Navy isn't endorsing the idea that

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its sailors have encountered alien

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spacecraft but it is acknowledging there

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have been enough strange aerial

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sightings by credible and highly trained

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military personnel that they need to be

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recorded in the official record and

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studied rather than dismissed as some

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kooky phenomena from the realm of

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so there are a couple things to point

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out first the Navy hasn't suddenly

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decided to take an interest in UFOs okay

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it's always been interested in the topic

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of UFOs and if you listen to what the

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Navy said they directly state that they

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are quote unquote updating their UFO

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reporting procedures updating implies

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that they've already had a reporting

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procedure in place but they've also

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acknowledged that this process needs to

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be revised and formalized to make it

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consistent and more widely known to its

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pilots and personnel also important to

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note even before having this revised

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formalized reporting process the Navy

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says it already investigates each and

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every UFO report it receives and the

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final item I'll point out right now is

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the fact that the Air Force had UFO

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reporting procedures the FAA has had UFO

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reporting procedures and both those have

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been modified and moved around and

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changed many times but that's another

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story but I certainly understand the

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buzz caused by the report that the Navy

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is updating and hopefully improving its

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reporting procedures but this certainly

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isn't unique Shane what do you think

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about the Navy coming out with this news

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that it wants to make it easier for its

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pilots to report UFOs yeah I mean I want

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to be positive about it it's a great

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thing yeah and and you know what's

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interesting as you as you have said it's

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not that they don't already have these

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types of procedures in place but I think

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what's most significant because they're

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willing to come out and state that this

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is something that's been denied to the

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bloody death for the last 50 years so

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here now they're admitting that they do

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investigate them and that they have a

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process in place but they're no doubt

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updating that process based on recent

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events we can talk more about but I

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think in general it's a good thing I

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don't think there's a huge significant

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change other than the fact that if if it

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unfolds like they're saying you know

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military personnel can make these

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reports without fear

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of ridicule or a negative consequence to

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their career which would be big it'd be

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very big and as we know pilots see stuff

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all the time and there is that stigma

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and you know the hesitancy of these

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pilots and by these pilots who report

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anything they see in just this weekend

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the Atlantic published a story about

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this titled US Navy wants pilots to

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report UFO s despite stigma in this

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article the author writes quote the Navy

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knows how this sounds it knows what you

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must be thinking but the fact stands

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that some pilots are saying they've seen

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strange things in the sky and that's

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concerning in quote and this really

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highlights something I bring up quite

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often and that is for whatever reason

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some people in the UFO research

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community get frustrated when we or

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anyone else bothers to take the time to

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explain to people outside of the UFO

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research community that there are

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unidentified objects flying around in

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our airspace all the time and completely

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possibility to just talking broadly

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about the presence of things in the sky

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that we can identify as hard as it might

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be for some to accept it is still the

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belief in the general public that UFOs

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even in that very basic sense aren't a

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real thing people assume that if there

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were something strange in the sky the

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military would know what it is or be

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able to easily identify it and if that

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didn't happen then we'd hear about it on

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the news in some big story this article

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from the Atlantic illustrates this when

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the author feels the need to state

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despite how crazy it sounds quote some

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pilots are saying they've seen strange

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things in the sky well to us that seems

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like something obvious that doesn't need

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to be stated but in the general public

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education properly informing people of

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the reality of UFOs again this is

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completely removing the

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or possibility and still the general

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public isn't to the point yet of

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understanding these quote-unquote

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incursions that take place in our

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airspace all the time yeah absolutely

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and and I think that's one of the the

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you know positive consequences of this

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is that it is education of the public

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and you know I know a lot of people you

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know talk about disclosure and maybe how

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we're being dripped fret fed and all

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those kinds of things you know maybe

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there's some truth to that but just you

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know putting that aside just the fact

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that the Navy the Air Force are coming

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out making these statements making it

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safe to even think about let alone talk

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about you know is a big leap forward in

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my opinion on the whole issue so again

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it you know it's a positive thing there

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may be some negative things attached to

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it we have yet to see but from what I've

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seen at this point you know it's a good

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move it's a really good move I agree

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completely Shane and I'm excited to see

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what if anything comes out of it I mean

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I assume only more can come of it and

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who knows what we'll hear about that and

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when if at all but as we know with these

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stories you know everybody gets all

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hyped up and this stuff breaks in the

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news we hear about it for two or three

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weeks and then we don't hear about it

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again so hopefully the wheels are

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turning hopefully these uh you know

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policies do actually get put in place

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and they're actually acted upon and

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pilots do feel comfortable reporting

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things they see investigations can be

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done and there's no lingering ridicule

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or or you know effect to the pilots for

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actually taking them up on their offer

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to listen to these reports right yeah

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absolutely and you know when we were at

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UFO Megacon we we saw some presentations

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by a lot of the folks associated with

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the nimitz case and you know radar

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operators in particular and you know

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they're they're able to come out and and

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speak about this and and what I thought

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really striking about their

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presentations was the emotion that these

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guys were displaying on on how this you

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know negatively impacted their life when

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they couldn't talk about it and now that

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they are able to talk about they're

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viewing it more positively so but we can

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never you know forget the fact that

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military members are people too you know

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human beings with feelings and you know

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making this opportunity available to

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them you know can be really helpful to

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you know individuals and really to the

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military I think in general yeah I think

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that's right and again sort of anything

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that we can do to lessen the stigma

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associated with this topic and get

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people to have real conversations and

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you know take the time to look into this

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topic do actual investigations consider

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this not something from science fiction

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but something that is concerning and

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should be concerning to us all and and

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merits investigation you know I think

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we're slowly moving that way and like

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you said I mean having the pop culture

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the general public see the military

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talking about UFOs in public in you know

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every media outlet that's big and that

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helps in that process but here's

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something else I want to bring up and

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I'm just going to touch on this because

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this is a bigger discussion for another

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day into something that I have pretty

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strong opinions about but something that

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has been riled up recently and we

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certainly see it in this Navy news as

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well is the very term UFO right how we

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even talk about this topic UFO that

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acronym that that named the term we used

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to talk about these things in the sky

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has been heavily debated in recent

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months and certainly the last week even

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in articles about this very story and

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the Navy not wanting to use the term UFO

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about UFO researchers how they don't

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like the term UFO because of the baggage

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that comes with it but I don't know what

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are your thoughts Shane with with the

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term UFO are we over complicating things

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by coming up with all sorts of new terms

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I mean to me

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you know I always come back to

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well people throw out these terms and we

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see them used by various people and

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government and military and and by

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journalists in these media outlets but

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they always have to come back and and

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clarify the what they're talking about

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is UFOs like mmm they have their their

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one term but it always comes back to

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explaining to everybody else yeah what

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we're talking about here is UFOs but

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it's not UFO it's got this new new way

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we're talking about it but it's it's a

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UFO we always come back to UFO because

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that's what people know yeah I mean that

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that's true and I think it was the Air

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Force that coined that term way back to

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beginning on Project Blue Earth correct

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and you know it's it's actually a kind

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of a brilliant term you know

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unidentified flying object it's pretty

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specific and you know they used it so

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that they could properly you know

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categorize sightings and reports and and

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you know it's but what happened is the

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term just got hijacked sort of over the

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years to begin become synonymous with

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something not unidentified but

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identified namely alien spacecraft which

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that was never the intent it's not the

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intent and so but that's what happens

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with our language in pop culture right

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we take a term and we we misuse it and

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takes on a whole new meaning I think

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that's what's happening and then you

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know the use of UAP or unidentified

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aerial phenomena you know is a tool that

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you know politicians and probably UFO

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researchers use to to get around the

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term UFO or rather the the misuse of it

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and the stigma attached to that so I can

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understand why it's been done but I

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think in reality like you said the

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general public you know what it always

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goes back to UFO because it's just been

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part of our culture for all that time so

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and you know the military is gonna be

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very careful about you know use of terms

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so that they aren't used against them or

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that they're not misinterpreted the best

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that they can at Aintree and so I think

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that's what we're seeing here is just

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even these articles and

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Politico and some of the others are

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they're extremely carefully worded you

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know to minimize the misperception and I

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think that's you know an intelligent

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thing to do but you know maybe what will

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happen is it's not the term it's the

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stigma associated or the misuse and so

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maybe as the public becomes more

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educated and understanding what that

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term actually means just like it says

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unidentified not alien crap then it

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gives more room for people out of a

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conversation without you know going down

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that rabbit hole and I think that's

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what's needed at least it at first to

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get this whole you know discussion out

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there in the public without you know

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battle lines being drawn yeah it's it's

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fascinating to watch and hear the

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various takes on how we we talk about

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this subject and what we call the things

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that we're talking about so yeah we'll

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certainly have a much broader discussion

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about UFOs and and what we're going to

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call them in the future

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but let's wrap up this episode citizens

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